On Bubble Watch
oaktreecapital.com · 2025-01-07 · tier T2
Source: Memo · oaktreecapital.com dated 2025-01-07. Auto-generated factual summary. Not investment advice. Verify before acting.
On the 25th anniversary of his prescient 'bubble.com' memo, Oaktree's Howard Marks revisits bubble dynamics and applies them to current market conditions. He defines bubbles as psychological states marked by irrational exuberance, FOMO, and the belief that 'there's no price too high'—not merely valuation extremes. The S&P 500's top seven stocks now represent 32-33% of index capitalization, roughly double their share five years ago and exceeding the 22% peak during the 2000 TMT bubble. Marks catalogs cautionary signs: above-average S&P valuations (forward p/e in the top decile), enthusiasm for AI as the 'new thing,' and implicit assumptions that today's leaders will persist—a bet history suggests is risky. He notes that of the top 20 S&P companies in 2000, only six remain in the top 20 today. However, he acknowledges counterarguments: the current p/e ratio is elevated but not extreme, the Magnificent Seven are genuinely strong businesses, and he doesn't hear the most extreme bubble language. He concludes without declaring a definitive bubble but warns that starting valuations strongly predict subsequent ten-year returns, and today's multiples historically preceded low single-digit returns.
Citations · 6
“the market capitalization of the seven largest components of the S&P 500 represented 32-33% of the index's total capitalization at the end of October; that percentage is roughly double the leaders' share five years ago”
p#7 · confidence 95%
“prior to the emergence of the "Magnificent Seven," the highest share for the top seven stocks in the last 28 years was roughly 22% in 2000, at the height of the TMT bubble”
p#9 · confidence 95%
“At the beginning of 2024, however, only six of them were still in the top twenty... Importantly, of today's Magnificent Seven, only Microsoft was in the top twenty 24 years ago.”
p#82 · confidence 95%
“when people bought the S&P at p/e ratios in line with today's multiple of 22, they always earned ten-year returns between plus 2% and minus 2%”
p#109 · confidence 90%
“a bubble not only reflects a rapid rise in stock prices, but it is a temporary mania characterized by – or, perhaps better, resulting from – the following: highly irrational exuberance, outright adoration of the subject companies or assets, and a belief that they can't miss, massive fear of being left behind if one fails to participate ('FOMO'), and resulting conviction that, for these stocks, 'there's no price too high.'”
p#13 · confidence 95%
“prior to two years ago, there were only four times in the history of the S&P 500 when it returned 20% or more for two years in a row. In three of those four instances, the index declined in the subsequent two-year period. (The exception was 1995-98, when the powerful TMT bubble caused the decline to be delayed until 2000)”
p#96 · confidence 92%
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