On Bubble Watch
oaktreecapital.com · 2025-01-07 · tier T2
Source: Memo · oaktreecapital.com dated 2025-01-07. Auto-generated factual summary. Not investment advice. Verify before acting.
On the 25th anniversary of his bubble.com memo, Howard Marks examined whether today's markets show signs of speculative excess. He argued that bubbles are fundamentally psychological phenomena—marked by "irrational exuberance," "FOMO," and the conviction that "there's no price too high"—rather than purely valuation-driven events. Marks noted that the seven largest S&P 500 stocks now represent 32–33% of the index, roughly double their share five years ago and approaching the 22% peak during the 2000 TMT bubble. He observed that U.S. stocks comprise over 70% of the MSCI World Index, the highest share since 1970. While acknowledging that today's leaders—particularly Nvidia, trading at a forward P/E in the low 30s—are superior to past market darlings, he cautioned that persistence in high-tech is rare: only six of the top twenty S&P 500 companies from 2000 remain in that tier today, and only Microsoft of the Magnificent Seven ranked in the top twenty then. Marks identified several cautionary signs: sustained market optimism since late 2022, above-average S&P valuations relative to global peers, enthusiasm for AI potentially spreading to other high-tech areas, and the assumption that the top seven will remain dominant. He also flagged Bitcoin's 465% two-year surge as a sign of diminished caution. A J.P. Morgan chart showed that when the S&P 500 traded at today's forward P/E of 22, subsequent ten-year annualized returns ranged between +2% and −2%. Recent bank projections for ten-year S&P returns sit in the low- to mid-single digits, consistent with that historical relationship. Marks stopped short of declaring a bubble, noting he does not hear "there's no price too high" rhetoric and the markets do not feel "nutty" to him. However, he warned that if multiple compression occurs rapidly rather than gradually, stock prices could decline sharply, as in 1973–74 and 2000–02.
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“the market capitalization of the seven largest components of the S&P 500 represented 32-33% of the index's total capitalization at the end of October; that percentage is roughly double the leaders' share five years ago”
p#7 · confidence 95%
“prior to the emergence of the "Magnificent Seven," the highest share for the top seven stocks in the last 28 years was roughly 22% in 2000, at the height of the TMT bubble”
p#9 · confidence 95%
“At the beginning of 2024, however, only six of them were still in the top twenty... Importantly, of today's Magnificent Seven, only Microsoft was in the top twenty 24 years ago.”
p#82 · confidence 95%
“Nvidia, the leading designer of chips for artificial intelligence. It's current multiple of future earnings is in the low 30s... investors are assuming Nvidia will demonstrate persistence.”
p#59 · confidence 90%
“when people bought the S&P at p/e ratios in line with today's multiple of 22, they always earned ten-year returns between plus 2% and minus 2%.”
p#109 · confidence 92%
“a bubble not only reflects a rapid rise in stock prices, but it is a temporary mania characterized by – or, perhaps better, resulting from – the following: highly irrational exuberance, outright adoration of the subject companies or assets, and a belief that they can't miss, massive fear of being left behind if one fails to participate ('FOMO'), and resulting conviction that, for these stocks, 'there's no price too high.'”
p#13 · confidence 95%
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